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And, well of course, Count Basie, and I think all of the black bands of the late thirties and early forties, bands with real players. They had an influence on everybody, not just drummers.

当然，还有贝西伯爵，我想所有三十年代末到四十年代初的黑人乐队都有真正的演奏者。他们对每个人都有影响，不仅仅是鼓手。

— Buddy Rich 巴迪·瑞奇